i have been looking in to this for over a year now

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:00 am

http://www.hydrohybrids.net/ we should all pitch in and exp on a cheap car just an idea this is not anything new Norway is way ahead of us on this

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this site has diagrams and stuff on how it should be installed http://www.gasatadiscount.com

they do installs in the Greenville sc area and it says 300$ installed orlando you should drop your car off and get it done on the way home then that way if it does work we dont have to buy the books or diagrams and can do the install ourselves looking of yours i am dead serious about doing this i will prob use the money i saved from the trip to try it.
out of all the ones i have looked at this one seems the most reasonable because its making your car a hybrid so it saves gas and also cleaning the engine.

o.g.darkdrifter · Post by **o.g.darkdrifter** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:56 am

But I like the smell of gasoline.....

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:07 am

same but i love driving more than the smell and i also don't like paying 4$ a gallon for gas. i think you can advance your timing without having it ping using this. theirs video responses of people who have used it saying that they did save gas and it works too i think this will actually work plus their are also videos of buyers and stuff of it on youtube you can find saying it works.

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his setup is very good he has 3 generators hooked up to a separate bubbler jar with like a inch on water or so so that way the hydrogen is being sucked out of the jar with the hose and the water is way at the bottom of the jar so that way if it shakes or anything the water is 2 far away to get sucked in to the intake he also hooked it up to the pcv i think this is something we could build from using stuff at home i am just horrible with wiring.

o.g.darkdrifter · Post by **o.g.darkdrifter** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:21 am

Gas prices arent really effecting me right now though.............. I get paid pretty decently. Even if I didnt I'd just cut back somewhere else.

But hell if more people start doing this then I wont have to pay as much for gas. So get at it people!!

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:20 am

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so basically once you get your fuel cell mount it get the negative wire going to battery and positive to positive end of windshield wiper motor so that it only turns on when motor is on.

then have the hose going coming out of your cell going into another jar going all the way down with the hose going in to some water as the bubbler. and then another hose at the top of the bubbler to suck out the hydrogen which you can connect to the pcv where their are no sensors or to pcv and to very back of intake.

of course thats for newer cars so that the o2 sensor does not detect it as more oxygen going in and having your car run richer. you do want to make sure the bubbler has more water though just to be safe that its always in the water. the design the guy used on the sr was just a hose with water with the upper end just pushed in so it pops off was nice. but just encase but i would be a bit worried because that design makes it more easy for the water to get sucked in if it swished around i am assuming.

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Post by **CBR_TOY** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:11 pm

uh..... i'll stick with the gas powered

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:36 pm

its worth a shot its only going to be sucking in hydrogen from the pcv it cant harm the motor if it works out this will be the shht ill prob have like 60mpg lol
i am surprised orlando hasn't jumped in this thread yet i would expect him to be the one usually exited this stuff over seeing how talented he is with these things he could prob throw it together within like 10 min.

hvguy · Post by **hvguy** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:41 pm

Well, there's 1 problem. In order to create hydrogen, it takes power to split teh molecules apart. And that takes a shit load of power.

A guy across the street from me is building one, and has been for some time now.

His most successful system pulls 80 amps at 12v. But it powers his whole car.
Its a trade off. But when your injecting hydrogen into the intake as the above is showing, it burns more cleanly, and increases MPG for not a lot of current draw.

+1, I like it.

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:12 pm

yeah we should tyty it ims durlk as dgdcdufuck but dy\ide y sghould try it lik eit hing its good seriousley wuses steel plates best thing to suuse and crates good hfdrugen for it so duplicaate it hsaa half hydrogen ftw

hvguy · Post by **hvguy** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:33 am

Nasser wrote:yeah we should tyty it ims durlk as dgdcdufuck but dy\ide y sghould try it lik eit hing its good seriousley wuses steel plates best thing to suuse and crates good hfdrugen for it so duplicaate it hsaa half hydrogen ftw

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:59 pm

hvguy wrote:Well, there's 1 problem. In order to create hydrogen, it takes power to split teh molecules apart. And that takes a shit load of power.

A guy across the street from me is building one, and has been for some time now.

His most successful system pulls 80 amps at 12v. But it powers his whole car.
Its a trade off. But when your injecting hydrogen into the intake as the above is showing, it burns more cleanly, and increases MPG for not a lot of current draw.

+1, I like it.

can u just make one using 4 stainless steel plates conected to 2 screws so 1 plate on each side of the screw i assume they are welded on. and 1 line negative to negative and 1 line to positive from wiper motor with a bubbler and then into the pcv its worth a try and u can make 1 in 2 seconds plz do it im curious as to if this really works we have done it as a project in my school and used some shitty machine that he turned the knobs on and it didnt take that long at all and he lit up the hydrogen i am sure it will be creating a decent amount of hydrogen the guys home video didnt seem fake just try it and see if you get noticable results. oh and put in baking soda with the water its supposed to help it or something.

i am going to build a couple of cells myself so that way its more effective using stainless steel plated because that is what works best i dont know how i am going to connect them to the screws i might just have them welded but this is going to be teh sht better mpg ftw wait and see 86garage i will have a 60mpg 86 mwahahaha i hope it works out. i can just mount them under the passenger side of the dash since its all gutted and have the hoses rus through the holes in the firewall going to the pcv. by the way how come ur never on msn messenger anymore?

hvguy · Post by **hvguy** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:59 pm

Get dog food dishes and stack them... they are stainless, cheap, and more surface area for less space.

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:17 pm

hvguy wrote:Get dog food dishes and stack them... they are stainless, cheap, and more surface area for less space.

the prob is u cant fit them together i am just going to try out the 4 steel plates method swing by my house and bring your welder when i get back so i can get it done my dad will make u dinner so u can eat at my house and we will try it on my car every1 goes home happy what do ya say?

hvguy · Post by **hvguy** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:37 pm

Nasser wrote:
hvguy wrote:Get dog food dishes and stack them... they are stainless, cheap, and more surface area for less space.
the prob is u cant fit them together i am just going to try out the 4 steel plates method swing by my house and bring your welder when i get back so i can get it done my dad will make u dinner so u can eat at my house and we will try it on my car every1 goes home happy what do ya say?

too bad itll cost me 30$ in fuel to get to your house.

GET DOG DISHES!!! stainless plates will cost an arm and a leg....

Nasser · Post by **Nasser** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:58 pm

i cant fit them 2 seperate stacks in a jar i mean dont u ever pass by close to my area? i really need ur help that way u can help me out if i get stuck on something and we can drive to where ever we need to in my car using my gas to buy supplies since i only have a permit and my dad will freak common man. my house is pretty big if u need a place to stay so we can stay up late working on it or making more than 1 cell if it works.